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our listeners what they want which of

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course leads us to tonight and mary

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joyce is an author a journalist a

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teacher and a veritable renaissance

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woman tonight she reveals the secrets of

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the underground military bases in North

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Carolina in the hidden history of Jesus

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and so much more I think we're going to

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even maybe get into some Bigfoot which

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is one of my favorites as well so thank

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you so much for making the time to join

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us tonight Mary well thank you i

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appreciate being invited on the program

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well you know so many of us are

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especially if we hung around the UFO

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subject for as many years as I have

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which is of course more than I'd like to

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admit to we've all kind of been familiar

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with the idea of underground military

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bases and when you know will you hear

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that you sort of think of area 51 and

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you think of doll sea bass

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in New Mexico but you're talking about

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something that I had not heard that much

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about and I don't think other people

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have but you've covered this very well

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in your new book so could you just kind

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of give us a little bit of a clue of how

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you got on to these underground bases in

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North Carolina well it sounds like you

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have both got us started both of us I

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have a website that I edit it's called

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Sky ships over cashiers calm and we deal

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with cutting-edge subjects and people

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began to come to me with these reports

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and over a number of years I first heard

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about it in 2009 I've been collecting

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information from mostly people that have

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military law enforcement backgrounds and

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I've learned about underground bases

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here in the mountains of North Carolina

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and most people don't know about them

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they know about the ones out west but

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they don't know about these I looked all

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over couldn't find anything written

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about them and at that point I decided

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to write the book and hugged is titled

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underground military bases hidden in

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North Carolina mountains now these these

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people that you said that you had spoken

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with an interview you know it sounds

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like you said a lot of official types

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law enforcement military people or

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former military were these people able

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to come out publicly I mean do you are

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you able to name their names in your

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book or is it giant I have to protect

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them but they have proven to those of us

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here at the website that they are

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legitimate one man i had known over

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several years at the place where i was

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working at the time and it was a long

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time before he revealed that he knew

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something about this he actually

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responded to another witness that we had

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posted on the website and he wrote a

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statement and he was very careful about

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how he wrote it because he didn't want

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his fingerprint on it so he didn't even

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write in his normal style of writing and

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he even had it delivered through

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somebody else to make sure that nobody

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could see him turning over this

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information and nobody who i believe is

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still in a high-security position and

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see you know I can definitely that that

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would be understandable if they're you

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know these bases exist and they're meant

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to be kept secret obviously people

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aren't going to be banding about that

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they've told but what can you give us an

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idea of when you started getting

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information what kind of tips were you

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getting for instance this gentleman that

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you said you worked with over time who

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finally felt comfortable enough to come

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forward to you what kind of information

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was he able to share with you now some

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of the information begins to run

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together in my mind but from what I

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remember from his report was he said

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there was a six-story deep facility

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under something we know locally around

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here is pairing and it's PA are I it

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stands for tisca astronomical research

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institute and it was a cold war

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monitoring station and then after the

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Cold War it eventually supposedly was

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shut down and the surface level is now

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an astronomical really an educational

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place but it's an odd educational place

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you can only get in there by appointment

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certain page you can just drive in and

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there's no problem other days you will

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see people or men dressed in swat type

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outfits it's a very strange place to be

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near whenever I've gotten close to it

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it's like I don't have a real good word

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for it but it's almost like electrical

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vibration that kind of doesn't feel good

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and anytime I've gotten close to it

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that's what I experienced one all one of

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the people that first reported all this

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at that particular place

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was the child of somebody involved with

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top-secret projects back in the 50s and

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she started to learn about some of these

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things way back then and the thing that

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makes it kind of creepy at the Perry

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facility and that's not the only one but

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there seems to be experiments going on

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there seems to be an interaction with

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ETS and not the necessarily the good

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ones there seems to be experimentation

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of all sorts we even had a report from

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somebody in social services who said

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that there were satanic reports of

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children coming out of that area and

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when he reported it to the authorities

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it was like I believe you used the word

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shoved under the rug and it wasn't dealt

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with in a you know proper procedure

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years ago there was a man who was a

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young man at the time and there were

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reports of caged animals being taken

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into this place so that kind of fuels

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the idea that experimentation is going

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on jeez that doesn't sound good now when

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you say the night let me let me give a

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balance on this there's okay several

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different facilities ironically i guess

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ironically isn't the right word but

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strangely they're all close to

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well-known tourist places in Western

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North Carolina the most recent one is

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under the Great Smoky Mountains National

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Park there's one under mount mitchell

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which is the tallest mountain east of

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the Mississippi there's one near Devils

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courthouse which is off the Blue Ridge

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Parkway of parkway there's one on sugar

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sugar loaf mountain which is near

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chimney rock another tourist place and

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another one is in the linville gorge and

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these are all places that tourists go

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and as one of the men told me he said

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there is an entrance into Mount Mitchell

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and the entrance is so camouflaged it

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looks like the side of a mountain I've

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about different locations as well so

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there must be some way that they they're

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able to do that really camouflage the

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location but when you said they were

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working and we're doing experimentation

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with you know some of the ETS and not

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the good ones in your experience in your

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research who are the bad ones are Arthur

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good ones and bad ones in different

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species or they are certain species that

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are bad any of the ones that are doing

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the abductions of people I don't want to

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be around them I think violation I think

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you're violating universal laws of

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behavior they typically are grays and

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reptilians that are doing this type of

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thing you know I just I would be very

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careful you know and there may be some

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good ones I do not know I think some of

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them are humanoid type robots that do

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certain kinds of projects I don't know

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if there's a simple answer so the people

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that do have contact with the

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filiaelians and the Arcturians and the

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ones that are much more compassionate

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and do not abduct people and communicate

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telepathically and are very positive you

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know those you know nobody should be

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afraid of those but i think the other

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you need to be very very cautious that's

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that's really wild you know that the

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Arcturians just keep coming up again and

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again this past couple weeks when you

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said that a lot oh no those Arcturians

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again there must be something I'm

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supposed to look at in terms of the

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arcturians but now I you know we're

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talking about North Carolina here which

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of course is Cherokee country and it's

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the original land of the Cherokees

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before they so many were pushed out and

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into Oklahoma which is my home state but

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what do the Indians of the region there

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Cherokee's and I say Indians and I hope

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I don't mean any offense by that term

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but where I come from that's what the

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Indians call that's what the Native

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Americans call themselves is Indian so I

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use it you know from my for my locale

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but I certainly mean no disrespect by

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the Indian people do that here too so

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don't worry about it good but what do

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they have to say about these underground

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bases I can't imagine that you didn't

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get some kind of input first of all

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hardly anybody knows about this I mean

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when I say this is a brand-new book and

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it's the first time it's out there for

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the public to know about it I mean it's

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really the first time and I can find

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nothing about it so you can't assume

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just because people live in this area

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that most people have some inkling of it

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many of them have seen foreign troops

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operating in the National Forest around

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here and wonder why and I've heard that

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from both the Indians and from the white

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people in this area began to hear that

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when I first moved here in 98 and I

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started talking to people who were

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hikers or hunters or you know and they

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would occasionally run into typically

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Germans Russians and what they call the

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blue hats or the United Nations and this

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is actually I think a cause that's going

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to to come forward because of this book

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everybody wonders why that's allowed why

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are these foreign troops allowed to have

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free rein in our national forests and I

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found out through the grapevine that

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there is a treaty it's called the world

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heritage treaty it was signed back in

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1972 during the Nixon administration and

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the purpose for it may have been very

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very good very very legitimate and it

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was to turn over our some of our

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national parks and our historic sites to

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the United Nations and I had to go and

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check that myself to find out that this

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really did happen and it's still in

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effect and that's why

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these foreign troops can operate freely

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because we have relinquished as a

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country our rights to certain land

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within our country the Mount Mitchell

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facility which the military guy who

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revealed that to me he says it's 20

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story Steve and that one he says is

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controlled by the United Nations and one

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time when they were out there during

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surveillance of the mountains they saw

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tanks being brought from a train station

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in one of the nearby towns and they took

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them between 20 and 25 tanks up the road

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that goes to the top of mount mitchell

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and the truck never came down in the you

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know the few roads should go up there so

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they were being unloaded underground

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somehow that's a whole that's why I'm

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saying there's all the Perry thing is

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associated with these experiment things

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I haven't heard that as the other places

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that may be happening I don't know but

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the UN's associated very very much with

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the Mount Mitchell wow that's really

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interesting now is this the same area

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that you know has a lot of UFO activity

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and then we also discussed there seem to

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be other anomalies around or at least

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what we think may be anomalies in with

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Bigfoot creatures in the area ok let's

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go start with the the ufos there's a lot

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of UFO sightings in this area some of

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them are probably man-made I'm always

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slightly suspicious of the ones that are

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small triangular one but we have them in

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every form we have them you know round

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globe we have them in rainbow colors we

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have them making strange streaks through

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the air and most recently we've had a

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very odd phenomena and this these are

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UFOs that you can see with your eyes at

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night we've got pictures of them on our

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website and again that skies

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Joker cashiers calm and under the guise

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of photo section there's pictures of

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these UFOs that look like asteroids it's

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like they're trying to camouflage and

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they're not lit up I mean you can see

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them but they're not lit up and they

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really do look like answer it ground

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opens it to the sky let's continue this

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conversation after the break we're going

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to take a short one now and when we come

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back we're going to hear more from mary

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joyce and the strange goings-on in north

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you're just joining us we're talking

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with author journalist mary joyce we're

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talking about underground military bases

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in North Carolina which is what mary

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joyce says latest book is all about

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she's also written other books on other

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really interesting subjects a lot of

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them dealing with that area in North

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Carolina and we've been talking about

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UFO sightings in the area and now is

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there are people reporting seeing like a

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craft going in and out of these places

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there's a lake that's just west of the

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Perry facility that we were talking

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about and it's called Wolf Lake and

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people have reported seeing obviously

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smaller UFOs that go in and out of that

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Lake hmm and like I said there we get

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lots of UFO stories you know we see them

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so often I can't even post them all oh

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my goodness we've repetitive you don't

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want to just keep having the same thing

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all the time right I saw a light zipping

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around yeah that kind of thing that gets

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boring after a while but you know you

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we've heard a lot over the past years

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you know from the conspiracy theorists

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about these places that they're readying

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for people to go people you know members

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of the elite and in other people to go

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when some apocalyptic event that

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everyone is expecting to come from the

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skies or something like that do you feel

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like there's a connection in any way

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with preparing a place to protect

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certain teacher I'm sure there's truth

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to that I mean if you do I'm sure you

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had a lot of research on the Internet

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you know they've done videos where they

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see trucks with food supplies and things

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like that going into these underground

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tunnels and the tunnels I think a pretty

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extensive one of the former air force

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man that I entered

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dude said that he was pretty confident

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that there is like a tunnel system that

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goes all the way from you know just

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outside DC all through the Appalachian

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chain all the way down to Atlanta I feel

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that from everything I've heard that

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that's probably true we've had residents

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talk about experiencing grinding sounds

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underneath the ground and vibrations

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pounding sounds and they'll only last

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for maybe a couple of days or sometimes

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longer and then it quits and you're

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probably real familiar with these huge

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underground boring machines yes and

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depending on the density of them of the

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ground they can do seven miles in a day

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so these people a lot of them are along

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the balsam Ridge and they've experienced

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that for a time and then it stops the

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most recently constructed underground

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facility seems to be the one beneath the

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Smoky Mountain National Park and so

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we've had reports again from two great

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military witnesses and they've heard

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like major pounding like the kind of

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pounding when you're putting pylons in

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for a bridge that kind of sound and they

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can feel it roads of one particular Road

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that's close to what we perceive to be

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the entrance they had it closed down for

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two years and you know with some bogus

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reason they've also stopped private

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flights over the park or at least

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certain parts of the park and they say

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it's because they don't want the elk

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disturbed because they have brought back

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the elk and one of the animal to thrive

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again here well that's really stupid

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because right outside one of the major

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visitor centers on the busiest road

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through the park they have elf that you

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can see right from the road so obviously

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the sound of traffic and claims and all

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that is not scaring me out

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so it's just a bogus excuse as ever as

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ever that's it that's really wild and

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then now is this also you know trying to

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picture the the scope of this area that

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we're talking about is this the same

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area where the tunnels were found where

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it's believed that that's the home of

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the Bigfoot creatures but the tunnels

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are small tunnels and they are

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associated with the Cherokee little

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people the little tunnels are not

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associated with the Bigfoot oh I see

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okay and yes it's all in the same area

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we have Bigfoot we have I was going to

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say little feet but we have a well we

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have the UFOs we have the underground

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facilities and that seems to be a whole

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lot of interesting mystery you know it

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is interesting is it yogi yep we

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mentioned in our talk that we had on the

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phone yesterday that you know we have

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all the same kinds of phenomena

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occurring around Tahlequah Oklahoma

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which is you know the capital of the

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Cherokee Nation and there and except for

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the underground military bases however

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there are lots of tunnels around those

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areas in those mountains around near the

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cooks and hills and then over into the

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Ozarks what cattle well they seem to

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look like natural tunnels that have been

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worked inside and the bigger small

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pretty big pretty big enough for people

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to law are likely to be the big

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footprint well I'm not sure that I

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didn't hear anything associated with

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Bigfoot to do with the tunnels at the

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time but what I did here and I and we

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interviewed someone I worked on

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conspiracy theory with jesse ventura and

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we covered this area and we had someone

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from the katoa Band of Cherokee Indians

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and actually she was the tribal

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historian at the time

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00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:41,970
and she said that there it was well

546
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:44,970
known among the people that you could

547
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:48,419
enter the tunnels there and and walk all

548
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:53,849
the way to to Denver Colorado through

549
00:29:00,129 --> 00:28:56,940
through this tunnel network now what's

550
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:00,139
really kind of weird is that they've now

551
00:29:05,629 --> 00:29:03,090
blocked off all those tunnel entrances

552
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:05,639
and you can't get in those caves and

553
00:29:11,869 --> 00:29:09,960
tunnels anymore and people you know fear

554
00:29:14,239 --> 00:29:11,879
that they're blocking them on for a

555
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:14,249
reason so that there will be no escape

556
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,769
should something happen that would be of

557
00:29:20,419 --> 00:29:18,840
course where the people would go would

558
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:20,429
be in the tunnels and underground for

559
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:24,330
refuge but interesting have the same

560
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:27,059
elements the Bigfoot the UFOs the

561
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:29,609
strange phenomena and it all is around

562
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:32,940
this you know Cherokee Nation and then

563
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:34,590
of course you're in Cherokee country

564
00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:36,330
there I just wonder if there's if that's

565
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,279
just well let me let me back up a little

566
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:40,559
bit on this the Cherokee came to this

567
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:42,809
area from the Great Lakes region so they

568
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:46,320
did not originate here so when they

569
00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:48,809
arrived they found these little well

570
00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:52,950
tended gardens and they they didn't see

571
00:29:56,989 --> 00:29:55,259
any people eventually they saw these

572
00:29:58,849 --> 00:29:56,999
little people come out from underneath

573
00:30:02,599 --> 00:29:58,859
the ground and they would work the

574
00:30:04,489 --> 00:30:02,609
gardens at night and they originally the

575
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:04,499
Cherokee originally called them the moon

576
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:09,299
people mmm so the little people were

577
00:30:15,349 --> 00:30:13,289
here a long time ago and there is a rock

578
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:15,359
in this area and it's called the

579
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:20,279
judaculla rock it's probably 20 by 15

580
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,779
feet has glyphs all over it but nobody

581
00:30:30,019 --> 00:30:26,940
has been able to decipher it makes no

582
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:30,029
sense for the Cherokee and you know

583
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:32,340
nobody's been able to figure it out the

584
00:30:37,989 --> 00:30:34,200
little people may very well have done

585
00:30:41,719 --> 00:30:37,999
those since they were here first hmm

586
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:41,729
well that's interesting you know we we

587
00:30:48,229 --> 00:30:45,450
we've heard or you know about the little

588
00:30:51,109 --> 00:30:48,239
people but haven't heard much because as

589
00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:51,119
I think you and I talked about we you

590
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:52,590
know a lot of people are reluctant

591
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:54,990
to speak about the little people but you

592
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:56,370
do hear different things from different

593
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:00,059
people and you know I've heard that you

594
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:01,620
know you don't want to speak about the

595
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,690
little people because you will draw

596
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:06,000
their attention towards you in that they

597
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:08,730
can be very mischievous and I think you

598
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:11,880
told me that you'd heard that someone

599
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:13,289
say that you know if you talk about the

600
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,850
little people you'll die but of course

601
00:31:19,159 --> 00:31:16,500
you've been talking about the little

602
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:19,169
people he's been talking since he was 7

603
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,760
years old about the little people and he

604
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:23,700
didn't die until he was past 85 so you

605
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,340
know his life in itself kind of blows a

606
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,039
hole in that theory I hear things like

607
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:32,640
that less and less and it originates

608
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,730
with the Cherokee people but now I hear

609
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:38,039
more of the Cherokee people telling me

610
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:40,140
that the little people still exist and

611
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,320
they try to protect them and the worst

612
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:45,240
thing you've ever hear if it's

613
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,399
mischievious is that some of the

614
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:49,740
cherokee we'll put to this day will put

615
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,049
food out for the little people and if

616
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:54,720
they forget to do it the roof might be

617
00:32:02,510 --> 00:31:57,779
pelted with little pebbles like hey you

618
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:02,520
know where's my food oh I'm not hearing

619
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:06,570
the fearful stories as much as I would

620
00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:09,110
have heard you know 10 or 15 years ago

621
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:11,720
now were you telling me something about

622
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:15,510
people had kind of stirred up was it the

623
00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:17,970
little people or was it Bigfoot where

624
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:20,309
they were had to move out of the area

625
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,940
because okay rats Bigfoot but let me

626
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:25,919
just mention if somebody's really

627
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:29,730
interested in the little people the book

628
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:31,020
I've written about that is called

629
00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:33,899
Cherokee little people were real I've

630
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:37,649
interviewed 11 Alzheimer's most of them

631
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:40,380
nine of them worked on the early

632
00:32:44,539 --> 00:32:42,179
construction at Western Carolina

633
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:44,549
University which again is in this area

634
00:32:50,539 --> 00:32:47,250
and when they cut into land that was

635
00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:50,549
supposedly virgin soil they would find

636
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:52,649
these little tunnels and these tunnels

637
00:32:57,980 --> 00:32:55,080
are not like natural caves that have

638
00:33:00,980 --> 00:32:57,990
been extended all of them have been cut

639
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:00,990
in this real dense red clay they tend to

640
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:03,330
be about two feet across and three and a

641
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,090
half feet tall they're square cut

642
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,100
depth on the top and then around it and

643
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:10,860
if you know anything about engineering

644
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:13,100
that helps make the tunnel stronger

645
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:16,980
those were found all over that campus as

646
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:20,809
various things were being constructed a

647
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:24,169
little skeleton say the best one was a

648
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,090
child-size skull which one of the

649
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:30,419
science teachers had on his desk kind of

650
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:32,370
kind of like a decorative paper weight

651
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:35,370
and another teacher came along one day

652
00:33:39,139 --> 00:33:36,840
and picked it up and looked at it

653
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:39,149
carefully and said this is not a child's

654
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:42,270
skull it has all its wisdom teeth so

655
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:44,250
there's a whole lot of stories and in

656
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:47,700
that book in any book that I do there's

657
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:52,710
lots of photos lots of maps it's kind of

658
00:33:58,700 --> 00:33:56,130
a magazine-style way of presenting

659
00:34:02,690 --> 00:33:58,710
information we live in a very visual

660
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:02,700
world and i think the visual plays a big

661
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:05,809
role in in books and you get people

662
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:08,460
people are interested in these kinds of

663
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:11,790
things but they don't generally have the

664
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:13,770
time or the inclination to read these

665
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:17,609
real thick academic research books and

666
00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:21,300
so I try to be the bridge that between

667
00:34:26,839 --> 00:34:25,020
the academics and all the rest of us and

668
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:26,849
I try to write in a very condensed

669
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,010
easy-to-read style so that more people

670
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:32,399
can know this information that's really

671
00:34:38,180 --> 00:34:35,310
great now when you are talking or we're

672
00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:38,190
talking to these elders about the little

673
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:40,830
people and about these little skeletons

674
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:43,740
and etc all the people that you

675
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:46,020
interviewed about these what was the

676
00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:50,099
general size range that we're talking

677
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:51,990
about little people of the little people

678
00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:54,300
they've painted you about the most

679
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:55,710
common report is about three and a half

680
00:35:02,270 --> 00:34:59,880
feet tall and that's an adult yeah it

681
00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:02,280
during half feet tall that's that's

682
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:10,130
reported to be white skinned or do you

683
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,450
know okay well let's just since we're

684
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:14,460
making everything confusing tonight I

685
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:16,920
get three different reports the most

686
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:18,930
common one is assistant a lot like the

687
00:35:22,610 --> 00:35:19,890
Cherokee just

688
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,620
smaller versions that sounds common that

689
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,260
seems to be what may still exist in this

690
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:28,560
area in the more remote variants there's

691
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:30,330
two other descriptions that are quite

692
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:34,560
different one is more like a irish

693
00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:37,010
leprechaun that have red whiskers and

694
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,750
the cherokee did not like the ones with

695
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:41,820
the red whiskers and would try to kill

696
00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:44,270
them there may be truth to that because

697
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,840
some moonshiners were way up on Cold

698
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:51,300
Mountain Road lay off the road building

699
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,610
them from a still bill and they came

700
00:36:01,100 --> 00:35:58,380
upon this big pile of little people

701
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:01,110
bones which they covered up and didn't

702
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,760
tell anybody about until after

703
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:05,040
prohibition because they didn't want

704
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:07,610
anybody to know about their still

705
00:36:13,610 --> 00:36:10,440
another thing that confirms that kind of

706
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:13,620
imagery is one of the old-timers has

707
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:17,220
them it's like a little medallion and it

708
00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:19,890
has a leprechaun tight face on each side

709
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:22,350
he found it when he was five years old

710
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:26,280
after a major major flood the kind that

711
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:29,300
makes the history books around here and

712
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:32,010
so much of the soil had been washed away

713
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:34,710
and that's when he found this and in the

714
00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:36,540
book I have a picture of that medallion

715
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:40,830
and right next to it I have a drawing of

716
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:44,070
a leprechaun and they look the same

717
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:45,690
they've got the point of years with

718
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:48,120
turned up nose and the you know the

719
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:52,050
little whispers and and you go wow the

720
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:55,350
third description is totally different

721
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:58,410
and that is in the earliest reports

722
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:00,660
supposedly when they first came here and

723
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:03,510
saw the little Gardens when they first

724
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:05,460
saw the people that came out of the

725
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:07,140
ground they said they were blue skin

726
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:10,140
with big eyes so here we are talking

727
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:12,210
about little people with three totally

728
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:17,070
different descriptions yeah do you think

729
00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:19,290
that that there some of them are just

730
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:21,120
wrong or do you think that there might

731
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:23,940
have been different looking ones well

732
00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:25,380
when you start doing research about

733
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:28,350
little people around the world you find

734
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:31,170
out that they have been all over the

735
00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:33,750
world and they don't all look

736
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,750
that's absolutely true yeah what can I

737
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:39,760
say we just man have them all here or

738
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,030
had them all here I don't think that the

739
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:45,280
blue ones and the big ones with the red

740
00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:47,620
whiskers still exist here you know

741
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:52,120
that's yeah I never heard that before

742
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:55,050
but I was reading something recently

743
00:38:01,230 --> 00:37:59,440
about you mentioned the moon people

744
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:01,240
there's something called the moon I'd

745
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:02,920
people i don't know if that's the same

746
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:04,660
thing might be the same thing it would

747
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:06,700
mean they were talking about they were

748
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:09,850
kind of spindly and white skin and i was

749
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:12,430
thinking oh my gosh these are the

750
00:38:16,340 --> 00:38:14,680
blue-skinned with the big eyes and of

751
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:16,350
course if anybody's living underground

752
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:19,930
over time the eyes would be bigger now

753
00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:21,730
one of the people that I interviewed for

754
00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:25,780
that book was when I first interviewers

755
00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:28,360
I interviewed her I only knew her by the

756
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:33,820
name of ruth beck the original interview

757
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:37,120
with her was back in 2000-2001 when i

758
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:39,250
put this book together charity little

759
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:42,340
people were real just a year ago I went

760
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:44,950
back to find pictures and things to go

761
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:47,410
with the original transcripts I was

762
00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:50,530
looking for hers and found her obituary

763
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:53,350
and it was until then that I realized

764
00:39:00,030 --> 00:38:55,510
she was the great-great-granddaughter of

765
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:00,040
folly who is an Eastern Band of Cherokee

766
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:03,010
it's one of their heroes mm-hmm and she

767
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:05,170
said that she felt the little people

768
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,990
came from the stars which is not

769
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:10,480
surprising because the Cherokee believed

770
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:14,280
they originated from the Pleiades right

771
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:21,250
yeah I and in what if they feel you know

772
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:23,170
the people in your area about the

773
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,820
Bigfoot creatures today you know in my

774
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:30,400
area where where I grew up and where I

775
00:39:36,990 --> 00:39:33,970
did a documentary about but you know

776
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:37,000
basically most of the older people the

777
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:39,490
Indians just said you know they're there

778
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:42,190
another tribe we don't bother them and

779
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:44,260
they don't bother us and they don't like

780
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,810
people bothering the

781
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:48,880
the Bigfoot creatures either they the

782
00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:50,590
Indian a unique person that I've

783
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:53,590
interviewed who's seen a Bigfoot wants

784
00:39:58,770 --> 00:39:55,810
to protect the Bigfoot they don't want

785
00:40:04,020 --> 00:39:58,780
me to tell people exactly where the

786
00:40:05,850 --> 00:40:04,030
Bigfoot are no all of them sense that

787
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:05,860
they're certainly more than just you

788
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:07,990
know another four-footed creature of

789
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:10,330
some you know crawling in the woods yeah

790
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,110
they sense a humanist about them oh

791
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:16,480
absolutely i found that too and it

792
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:18,550
really sucks everything i've read it

793
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:21,070
seems like the the Bigfoot on the west

794
00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:25,030
coast are more sophisticated more

795
00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:28,030
educated more than what you get on the

796
00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:30,340
east coast and you were saying something

797
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:32,980
about that the other day in you were

798
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,450
talking about someone who actually was

799
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:39,280
communicating with them you know writing

800
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:41,230
notes back and forth that sort of thing

801
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:43,870
can you expand on that a little bit

802
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,560
because that was yeah her name is Joan

803
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,400
ocean she is known worldwide for her

804
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:52,720
expertise with the dolphins and she

805
00:40:58,860 --> 00:40:55,720
lives in Hawaii but I I don't remember

806
00:41:01,740 --> 00:40:58,870
the details anymore but when she was on

807
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:01,750
the west coast of the continental United

808
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:05,770
States she interacted with me with the

809
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,200
Bigfoot and I think they sensed her

810
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:10,720
energy which is a really nice wonderful

811
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:14,520
gentle energy and she you know

812
00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:17,230
interacted with two specific ones and

813
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:19,600
one was a female that seemed to be like

814
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:23,530
this like a healer Navy for the Bigfoot

815
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:25,720
but they would write I mean it was

816
00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:29,110
primitive but they would write notes and

817
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:32,140
stuff to her I can't tell you exactly

818
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:34,630
how far back it is in the archives but

819
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:37,420
we have a section on the Skyships /

820
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:40,830
cashiers website that's devoted to

821
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:43,960
Bigfoot and you know other kinds of

822
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:46,990
creatures and first story is in the

823
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:49,060
archives of that section going back a

824
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:51,970
year or so ago and it's a really really

825
00:41:58,350 --> 00:41:54,700
good story and if you decide you want to

826
00:42:00,039 --> 00:41:58,360
do another documentary on Bigfoot she

827
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:00,049
would be an excellent person to contact

828
00:42:04,269 --> 00:42:02,660
simply because she's so credible and has

829
00:42:07,029 --> 00:42:04,279
done such wonderful work with the

830
00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:07,039
dolphins well you know does she work

831
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:11,749
with a the gentleman called kewanee laps

832
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:14,569
right us no I mean if he does I'm

833
00:42:18,789 --> 00:42:17,150
unaware of it it seemed like it that I

834
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:18,799
was seeing some kind of connection

835
00:42:23,919 --> 00:42:21,380
between the two of them on the internet

836
00:42:27,749 --> 00:42:23,929
and I had him on the show gosh several

837
00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:27,759
years ago and he was talking about a

838
00:42:33,969 --> 00:42:30,140
family he wouldn't give me the location

839
00:42:36,099 --> 00:42:33,979
where they were who was having a lot of

840
00:42:37,569 --> 00:42:36,109
interaction with Bigfoot creatures and

841
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:37,579
there was like little notes and little

842
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:38,900
gifts and things that reminded me very

843
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:42,410
much of what you were saying and you

844
00:42:47,669 --> 00:42:44,660
think do you remember at all what kind

845
00:42:54,789 --> 00:42:47,679
of notes that she got me what kind of

846
00:42:56,439 --> 00:42:54,799
messages were they mmm I don't think I

847
00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:56,449
can quote those right now but I mean

848
00:43:01,779 --> 00:42:58,910
that they're still on the internet and I

849
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,789
can certainly you know very interested I

850
00:43:06,939 --> 00:43:04,880
can get into my archives and let you

851
00:43:08,529 --> 00:43:06,949
know at a later time so that you can

852
00:43:10,329 --> 00:43:08,539
read it because you just might want to

853
00:43:13,029 --> 00:43:10,339
do something with it later on sure

854
00:43:15,999 --> 00:43:13,039
absolutely and I'll you know I'll post

855
00:43:19,059 --> 00:43:16,009
them as well for other people to to read

856
00:43:21,219 --> 00:43:19,069
I'd love to see them but did she also

857
00:43:22,779 --> 00:43:21,229
feel that she because I know you said

858
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:22,789
she worked with dolphins of course

859
00:43:27,729 --> 00:43:25,910
that's what she's known for and I would

860
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,739
imagine there was some communication

861
00:43:33,789 --> 00:43:30,400
going on between her and the Dolphins

862
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:33,799
think that that sort of helped her

863
00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:36,049
communicate with the Bigfoot absolutely

864
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:38,630
f ND do you think there was some kind of

865
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:40,910
telepathic thing going on as well yeah

866
00:43:45,939 --> 00:43:43,339
because they knew they used some words

867
00:43:48,729 --> 00:43:45,949
about referring to her like somebody

868
00:43:51,939 --> 00:43:48,739
from across the water and lightning but

869
00:43:53,650 --> 00:43:51,949
you know they couldn't meet with her

870
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:53,660
because she was across the water I

871
00:43:59,169 --> 00:43:55,670
believe they called her the water lady

872
00:44:04,829 --> 00:43:59,179
and they seem to know that she was

873
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:04,839
coming even when she didn't know wow

874
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:07,880
that's interesting and so they would

875
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,689
speak in their notes and telepathically

876
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:13,760
she would hear it in English

877
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:17,540
Shh no I mean they are they would just

878
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:20,450
they would write in English well it was

879
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:22,970
printed very simple but it was printed

880
00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:25,460
and they would leave gifts for I mean

881
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:28,340
it's quite phenomenal and also what

882
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:29,930
we've got going on right now is an

883
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:34,430
ongoing investigation it's not again in

884
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:37,160
this area and we were fortunate enough

885
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:40,210
to get a very large locket of hair and

886
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:42,950
without on Kirlian it's about six or

887
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:45,650
seven inches in size and that has been

888
00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:49,970
sent off for DNA testing and if it if

889
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:52,790
things go the way they're supposed to be

890
00:44:59,530 --> 00:44:55,250
for july's over we may get the results

891
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,540
back on that now when this clump of hair

892
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:02,480
was found that was associated with

893
00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:05,180
Bigfoot sightings right that's correct

894
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:09,220
and so it's you know they're pretty sure

895
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:13,100
that it came from this creature and now

896
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:15,110
it doesn't seem to match up with other

897
00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:17,510
species so they're they're testing it

898
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,180
now it's being tested and the reason as

899
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:22,400
somebody who will come forward at

900
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:26,270
another time is paying to have it tested

901
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:30,470
they just based on what we showed on the

902
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:32,420
website because the picture looks of the

903
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:35,570
hair looks so authentic and so we'll

904
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:38,690
just have to WoW is that an XP see

905
00:45:43,330 --> 00:45:40,370
what's going to happen is that an

906
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:43,340
expensive thing to do I'm told at about

907
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:46,070
two thousand dollars oh and it just an

908
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:50,600
interested party wanted to wanted to

909
00:45:56,650 --> 00:45:53,510
help you guys facilitate that correct

910
00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:56,660
and paid for oh that's great it's really

911
00:46:00,970 --> 00:45:58,700
nice I don't think my budget would allow

912
00:46:03,090 --> 00:46:00,980
it yeah you know if there's so many

913
00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:03,100
things like that they come up and then

914
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:05,720
it's nice when someone steps forward and

915
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,910
helps get those things accomplished

916
00:46:11,470 --> 00:46:09,440
because they were all sitting here

917
00:46:13,810 --> 00:46:11,480
waiting with bated breath you know find

918
00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:13,820
out what it what it says have you

919
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:16,820
received any preliminary results at all

920
00:46:22,510 --> 00:46:20,240
or no I'm just waiting and how long do

921
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:22,520
you think it's going to take i'm told

922
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:24,290
that maybe by the end of this month we

923
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:27,089
might have some results oh wow

924
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:29,430
we just don't know until we get it yeah

925
00:46:33,259 --> 00:46:31,140
keep us posted that would be really

926
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:33,269
great and love to and if people are

927
00:46:37,969 --> 00:46:34,859
interested in that they can periodically

928
00:46:40,009 --> 00:46:37,979
check in on the Skyships / cashiers

929
00:46:43,249 --> 00:46:40,019
website because we certainly will you

930
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,259
know post developments and there's an

931
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:45,210
uncle I mean the most recent complete

932
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:48,930
report is their income including first

933
00:46:55,299 --> 00:46:52,529
scribbles and then writing on the walls

934
00:46:59,380 --> 00:46:55,309
if there's one house that's in this

935
00:47:04,339 --> 00:46:59,390
remote valley where the Bigfoot are and

936
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:04,349
if you can see the evolution of attempts

937
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:07,410
at drawing and writing even though they

938
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,150
did it on the house walls oh that's

939
00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:14,880
amazing well I they happened the way it

940
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,219
happened was quite interesting because

941
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:19,380
there's a pond on this it's a

942
00:47:25,969 --> 00:47:22,559
bowl-shaped Valley surrounded by forests

943
00:47:30,289 --> 00:47:25,979
ridges the people have had the property

944
00:47:32,479 --> 00:47:30,299
for I think like 17 years the woman who

945
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:32,489
allowed us to go onto the property said

946
00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:36,210
that she has often sense that something

947
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,950
was kind of watching her from the forest

948
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:40,559
but nothing she never saw anything she

949
00:47:46,729 --> 00:47:44,099
never felt in danger in any way and when

950
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:46,739
they went to repair the pond or the dam

951
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:48,569
for the pond they used the jackhammer

952
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:50,910
and when they were drilling into the

953
00:47:56,989 --> 00:47:53,190
ground they came upon something hollow

954
00:47:59,859 --> 00:47:56,999
and from that point on they began to

955
00:48:03,229 --> 00:47:59,869
have trouble with the Bigfoot she

956
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:03,239
surmises that they cut into a cave where

957
00:48:07,219 --> 00:48:04,950
they were living because she says there

958
00:48:09,739 --> 00:48:07,229
are caves in the ridges around their

959
00:48:12,499 --> 00:48:09,749
Valley and she thinks those are the

960
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:12,509
homes for them so once that happened

961
00:48:17,959 --> 00:48:15,869
they started it evolved they started you

962
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:17,969
know messing with their cars and then

963
00:48:22,219 --> 00:48:19,890
they started getting their hand prints

964
00:48:25,999 --> 00:48:22,229
and stuff all over the doors and then

965
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:26,009
they finally broke in and at this point

966
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:27,660
the people have been out of that house

967
00:48:34,329 --> 00:48:30,930
for two years they go back almost every

968
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:34,339
day and often see something quite new

969
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:38,430
the first time this is the second time

970
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:39,930
I've been there twice

971
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:42,510
and one time one of those times when we

972
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:45,740
walked up to the front door there was a

973
00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:49,110
rag that had been kind of shaped into a

974
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:51,750
basket there were three old coins and

975
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:53,490
something that was kind of goldish brown

976
00:48:59,330 --> 00:48:57,240
in it almost like a basket or a bird's

977
00:49:00,830 --> 00:48:59,340
nest right in front of the door you

978
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:00,840
couldn't miss it and she said it hadn't

979
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,800
been there the day before and I kind of

980
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:07,140
had the feeling maybe it was a peace

981
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,010
offering because but are known for

982
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:13,560
leaving gifts for people they will leave

983
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,310
pretty stones or flowers or in certain

984
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:19,200
situations they will bring people up

985
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:21,090
bring people fish that have just been

986
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,280
caught you know quite intriguing it

987
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,040
really is you know there are some

988
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:32,160
amazing stories and I mean you know talk

989
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:34,620
to many people myself about the Bigfoot

990
00:49:40,850 --> 00:49:38,040
and you know talk to people from all

991
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:40,860
different walks of life you know bankers

992
00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:45,060
teachers doctors nurses truck drivers

993
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:50,820
and you know they just tell it with such

994
00:49:58,700 --> 00:49:55,560
an viction that a you know I was talking

995
00:50:01,640 --> 00:49:58,710
to a nurse in i believe it was an a to

996
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:01,650
oklahoma and she stepped out of the

997
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:03,750
hospital to give us an interview and

998
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:08,580
talked about how she as a child she said

999
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:10,350
oh yes we played with the little ones in

1000
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:12,120
the forest they lived you know in a

1001
00:50:16,610 --> 00:50:15,270
cabin in the forest and that the little

1002
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,620
ones would come around and play with the

1003
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:19,440
kids and it was just very matter-of-fact

1004
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:22,890
and you know nothing shocking about it

1005
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,460
to them at all a lot of the drawings on

1006
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:29,160
this house you know are done in the

1007
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:30,630
bedrooms for the children used to live

1008
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,520
and I had the feeling and perhaps some

1009
00:50:40,070 --> 00:50:38,000
evidence that it was the juvenile

1010
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,080
Bigfoot that we're doing these things

1011
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,480
number one a lot of drawings were done

1012
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:44,700
below the light switches and I would

1013
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:47,550
think of a full-grown Bigfoot would not

1014
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,200
get down and draw know and then that's

1015
00:50:57,140 --> 00:50:53,760
where you see the evolution

1016
00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:57,150
going from scribbles two attempts at

1017
00:51:04,100 --> 00:50:59,310
drawing something and then attempts that

1018
00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:04,110
look like trying to impersonate a you

1019
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:06,780
know rat writing or printing and it

1020
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:09,110
looks like an educational process a

1021
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:14,730
system dumb no apparently not it's just

1022
00:51:22,820 --> 00:51:18,240
amazing it really is you know because I

1023
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:22,830
do think that they are not animals

1024
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,000
anymore than we are I mean just from

1025
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:29,700
what I hear from people that have had

1026
00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:32,700
these very close encounters that they

1027
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:34,620
said you know I said were you looking at

1028
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:36,780
an animal or were you looking at a

1029
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:40,500
person in a book that I did Cherokee

1030
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:42,450
little people were real I do have

1031
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:44,550
something in there about one of the

1032
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:46,200
Bigfoot stories and the reason it's in

1033
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:49,500
there is because it the story took place

1034
00:51:54,050 --> 00:51:52,500
very close to that judaculla rock that i

1035
00:51:58,070 --> 00:51:54,060
mentioned that has all the hieroglyphs

1036
00:51:59,810 --> 00:51:58,080
on it yes judaculla and that's the

1037
00:52:02,800 --> 00:51:59,820
English version I don't know how to say

1038
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:02,810
it in cherokee but judaculla was a

1039
00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:07,800
legendary giant well this story that I

1040
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,340
have in that book is about the Bigfoot

1041
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,640
family not that far from that rock so

1042
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:16,680
maybe when they were talking about the

1043
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:18,540
judaculla giant maybe it really was a

1044
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:22,680
Bigfoot hey that makes a lot of sense it

1045
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:27,900
sure could be sure could be look at that

1046
00:52:31,340 --> 00:52:29,670
books a good guidebook for people who

1047
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:31,350
want to have a different kind of

1048
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:34,110
vacation in explorer North Carolina and

1049
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,450
you know with the maps and the photos

1050
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:38,760
it'll at least be a starting place to

1051
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,160
perhaps get lucky and see some of these

1052
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,980
mysteries it's also on the website it

1053
00:52:48,860 --> 00:52:46,500
tells you where you can you know where a

1054
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:48,870
lot of the UFO sightings have been we've

1055
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:51,420
actually had one UFO that somebody saw a

1056
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,890
small and land in a field so well in

1057
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,280
your site is Skyships over the cashiers

1058
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:03,000
and cashiers sky field over cashiers

1059
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,090
calm Skyships over cashiers and it's

1060
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,000
cashiers is spelled like cash

1061
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:10,640
years it is it is that they pronounce it

1062
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:12,710
cashiers that's right a high mountain

1063
00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:16,880
community that doubles in size during

1064
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,700
the summer on all the Flatlanders from

1065
00:53:27,550 --> 00:53:22,400
the hot country come up here to cool off

1066
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:27,560
oh nice very nice lots of waterfalls and

1067
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:30,710
you know it's a very pretty area well

1068
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,660
there's so much going on over there you

1069
00:53:37,090 --> 00:53:34,640
know that'd be a great place to go and

1070
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:37,100
just explore and check out these

1071
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:39,860
different sites now is there any

1072
00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:43,250
evidence that one could see about these

1073
00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:47,870
underground bases that you know I mean

1074
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:50,030
if you came there if I came to North

1075
00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:55,370
Carolina would I see anything um hmm

1076
00:54:00,940 --> 00:53:58,430
there could be well you can go to Perry

1077
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:00,950
I mean the you know fine door open you

1078
00:54:05,740 --> 00:54:03,140
can go there you're not going to see the

1079
00:54:09,010 --> 00:54:05,750
facility because they hide that beneath

1080
00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:09,020
it what's on top i call it a capstone

1081
00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:11,750
cover you know like on a pyramid sure

1082
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:15,020
most of the stuff is beneath it you can

1083
00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:16,400
certainly go to the top of Mount

1084
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:19,340
Mitchell but that doesn't mean you're

1085
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:21,020
going to find that hidden entrance to

1086
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:25,970
get in there yeah you know and in that

1087
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:27,860
book and I'll mention the title again

1088
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:30,130
it's called underground military bases

1089
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:33,050
hidden in North Carolina mountains and

1090
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,490
again it's my my mo there's lots of

1091
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:40,000
photos there's lots of location maps and

1092
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,130
so people can really have a starting

1093
00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:45,440
point if they want to start to find some

1094
00:54:54,130 --> 00:54:49,340
of these things are you going to give

1095
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:54,140
any events out that way I do lectures I

1096
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:56,660
haven't done any events that would be

1097
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,970
great I you know do you have anything

1098
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:00,800
coming up the people happen to be in

1099
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:03,640
your area any talks scheduled on

1100
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:07,010
Saturday July eleventh which is a week

1101
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:09,160
from Saturday I'll be speaking at the

1102
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:13,010
Henderson County Heritage Museum which

1103
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:14,300
is right on Main Street in

1104
00:55:21,010 --> 00:55:18,350
Hendersonville and I'd spoken there

1105
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:21,020
about the Cherokee little people and God

1106
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:21,300
of

1107
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:23,160
really good turnout and since

1108
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:25,710
Hendersonville is so close to many of

1109
00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:27,650
these things I think there might be

1110
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:30,840
quite a bit of interest in it mmm

1111
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:32,940
anybody's around it'll be two o'clock on

1112
00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:37,260
July eleventh two o'clock on july 11

1113
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:39,560
yeah is that information on your website

1114
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:43,860
yeah if you look under editors corner

1115
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:46,020
that's the only place where I allow

1116
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:48,390
myself to put myself in the foreground

1117
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:51,750
and I will list the upcoming radio shows

1118
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:55,710
and lectures and i also have podcasts

1119
00:56:01,970 --> 00:56:00,000
and videos and my books all of the stuff

1120
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:01,980
that's just me is in that one little

1121
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:05,490
section I try to stay out of the picture

1122
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,790
and the rest of the website oh I say

1123
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:11,040
okay great well we want to keep track of

1124
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:13,230
you you know with you know you may be

1125
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:14,790
having some things coming up so we'll

1126
00:56:18,860 --> 00:56:16,470
check back on your website for that and

1127
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:18,870
also on this evidence that you're going

1128
00:56:23,570 --> 00:56:21,810
to be bringing forward about the testing

1129
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:23,580
on the Bigfoot hair that's going to be

1130
00:56:27,590 --> 00:56:25,650
amazing but we're going to take another

1131
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:27,600
quick break right now and then we're

1132
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:29,130
going to head into the last half hour

1133
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,710
and we're going to get into Jesus and

1134
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:36,000
evidence of Jesus that he left behind

1135
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,090
force to find so I'm really interested

1136
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,920
in that subject as and all the listeners

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00:57:06,810 --> 00:56:43,440
are and will be back in just a few

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00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:10,240
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1207
01:01:54,620 --> 01:01:51,570
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1208
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:54,630
talking tonight with author researcher

1209
01:02:02,000 --> 01:01:58,920
and journalist mary joyce and she's been

1210
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:02,010
talking about all kinds of anomalous

1211
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:04,770
goings-on in north carolina including

1212
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:08,220
underground secret military bases we've

1213
01:02:12,290 --> 01:02:09,990
been talking about Bigfoot creatures

1214
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:12,300
we've been talking about the Cherokee

1215
01:02:19,340 --> 01:02:16,470
little people and now I'd like to get

1216
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:19,350
into during this last half hour into

1217
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:22,290
another book in a field of research that

1218
01:02:31,310 --> 01:02:27,540
Mary got into on Jesus and the evidence

1219
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:31,320
that was left behind so what are you

1220
01:02:39,590 --> 01:02:33,210
what if you found and where did you find

1221
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:39,600
it Mary I consider myself a bridge

1222
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,030
between the researchers and the

1223
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:44,400
archaeologists and all of the rest of us

1224
01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:47,010
and these researchers come upon

1225
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:49,590
incredible information but they bury it

1226
01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:52,350
in these big thick books with lots and

1227
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:54,780
lots of words and most people will not

1228
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:56,490
take the time to read it even though

1229
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:58,530
they might find the topic interesting

1230
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:01,920
and what I do is I wade through this

1231
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:04,140
stuff and boil it down to its essence

1232
01:03:10,310 --> 01:03:07,170
try to put it in just an easy-to-read

1233
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:10,320
form and then find the photos and the

1234
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:13,290
maps and the subtotal with it to amplify

1235
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:18,150
the words so that anybody can you know

1236
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:21,480
find out fascinating information the

1237
01:03:26,690 --> 01:03:23,730
information about Jesus is quite in

1238
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:26,700
quite incredible really and it goes far

1239
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:29,490
beyond what's in the Bible now know you

1240
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:31,800
talked about you know the travels of

1241
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:35,040
Jesus and you know some of us have heard

1242
01:03:42,620 --> 01:03:38,760
about you know the travels to India that

1243
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:42,630
I had a friend paul davids who did a

1244
01:03:49,940 --> 01:03:45,890
documentary called jesus in india that

1245
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:49,950
was quite popular where they followed

1246
01:03:57,590 --> 01:03:52,290
the trail of Jesus to Kashmir in India

1247
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:57,600
and but you're talking about other place

1248
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,020
is that that Jesus was thought to have

1249
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:03,420
traveled including the United States

1250
01:04:09,110 --> 01:04:08,310
which is really interesting you launched

1251
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:09,120
me on a whole bunch of different

1252
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:11,220
directions let me see well you just pick

1253
01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:15,660
one year I want to pick joseph of

1254
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:19,470
arimathea and love it okay he is the

1255
01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:22,770
only mentioned as the rich man who

1256
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:24,870
claimed the body of Jesus after the

1257
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:26,970
crucifixion and provided to tune form

1258
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:29,280
that's basically all we know about him

1259
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:32,210
but when I've done the research with the

1260
01:04:41,570 --> 01:04:38,460
old Eastern Christianity I began to find

1261
01:04:48,370 --> 01:04:41,580
out that he was the great uncle of Jesus

1262
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:48,380
when Joseph the carpenter died Mary's

1263
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,170
uncle took over the responsibility of

1264
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:55,280
the family when Jesus was still young

1265
01:05:01,400 --> 01:04:58,200
Joseph so that's one connection another

1266
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:01,410
connection when somebody is crucified

1267
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:02,940
I'm just jumping around on this theme

1268
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:05,700
when somebody was crucified at that time

1269
01:05:12,290 --> 01:05:10,110
they would be thrown into a pit but if a

1270
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:12,300
next of kin came and claimed the body

1271
01:05:17,420 --> 01:05:14,460
than they could take the body well only

1272
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:17,430
a next of kin could claim the body so

1273
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:21,530
Joseph of Arimathea was able to do that

1274
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:24,210
it's you know there's there's a whole

1275
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:26,700
lot more about him but he was a very

1276
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:29,730
well-known man at that time Joseph of

1277
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:33,720
Arimathea had a title called in noblesse

1278
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:37,290
de correo he was in charge of the ten

1279
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:42,240
mines in southwestern England and that

1280
01:05:46,850 --> 01:05:44,610
was a very prestigious position he was a

1281
01:05:49,340 --> 01:05:46,860
very rich man he was in charge of the

1282
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:49,350
ships that would go from you know

1283
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:52,490
eastern Mediterranean to England and

1284
01:05:59,600 --> 01:05:55,680
haul these back and forth well he took

1285
01:06:05,810 --> 01:05:59,610
Jesus with him on at least one trip if

1286
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:05,820
not more and there are crosses in that

1287
01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:08,280
region of England's that are very

1288
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:11,460
ancient that show Jesus as a

1289
01:06:18,590 --> 01:06:14,130
boy in a tunic on a cross and they're

1290
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:18,600
called tunic crosses there is a well

1291
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:21,540
that was called the Jesus well and it

1292
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:23,930
was right by the camel river where

1293
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:27,020
Joseph Arimathea was known to stop and

1294
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:31,770
to get water for the ship and the later

1295
01:06:38,090 --> 01:06:34,260
they built a little tiny stone covered

1296
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:38,100
chapel over it to protect the well it's

1297
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:41,760
still there ironically it is where a

1298
01:06:48,260 --> 01:06:44,310
golf course is now so the golf course

1299
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:48,270
goes on and there is this square cut

1300
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:52,650
hole in in the in the golf course so you

1301
01:07:00,380 --> 01:06:57,240
can still see the chapel and wow I know

1302
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:00,390
it's fascinating and because those of

1303
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:03,660
the verra mathea was such a traveler it

1304
01:07:10,030 --> 01:07:06,030
is suspected that he may have played a

1305
01:07:12,860 --> 01:07:10,040
role in helping Jesus make his journeys

1306
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:12,870
to the far east because there were well

1307
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:16,920
known trade routes at that time and by

1308
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:20,760
sea and by land and the story about him

1309
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:22,380
being in India is much more

1310
01:07:30,260 --> 01:07:25,050
controversial than about him being in

1311
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:30,270
the Himalayas and I have information in

1312
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:33,420
there about some well known people who

1313
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:35,670
have gone up to the old him as monastery

1314
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,290
in Tibet which is way way up there it's

1315
01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:42,240
like it was a major voyage to go up

1316
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,140
there voyage is the wrong word and one

1317
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,660
of the people that went was Elizabeth

1318
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:50,400
guess I'm probably going to say her name

1319
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:55,050
wrong Elizabeth Cass Barry and she was

1320
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,390
the person who started the Montessori

1321
01:08:03,010 --> 01:08:00,000
schools in the United States and she

1322
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,020
went with a group of world faiths

1323
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:06,240
tourists up to this monastery and while

1324
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:10,530
she was up there they eventually met the

1325
01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:13,140
head librarian the chief librarian he

1326
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:16,020
came down one day with three parchment

1327
01:08:22,730 --> 01:08:20,400
books that he presented to them and said

1328
01:08:24,450 --> 01:08:22,740
here is evidence or here's proof here

1329
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:24,460
Jesus was here

1330
01:08:30,990 --> 01:08:27,489
and then William Douglas who was a

1331
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,000
Supreme Court judge 40 30 for at least

1332
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:33,759
30 years maybe longer and he made a trip

1333
01:08:40,860 --> 01:08:35,980
up there and and had a similar

1334
01:08:42,749 --> 01:08:40,870
experience it seems that he learned

1335
01:08:46,979 --> 01:08:42,759
quite a bit there that he may very well

1336
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:46,989
have gone there to study you know the

1337
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:50,799
ancient religions hmm did you in your

1338
01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:55,839
research into the crucifixion did you

1339
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,370
find anything I know that normally when

1340
01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:03,279
a person was crucified for one thing

1341
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:05,980
their legs were broken and that they

1342
01:09:12,599 --> 01:09:08,759
would have been left up on the cross for

1343
01:09:17,789 --> 01:09:12,609
several days but Jesus was taken down

1344
01:09:21,150 --> 01:09:17,799
after about six hours and he was his

1345
01:09:24,809 --> 01:09:21,160
legs were not broken did you find

1346
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:24,819
anything on that and if side not

1347
01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:26,380
anything that would clarify it any

1348
01:09:33,809 --> 01:09:30,299
better than what you just said I see

1349
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:33,819
instead of following speculation I have

1350
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:35,529
followed things that have some

1351
01:09:41,729 --> 01:09:40,450
concreteness to them sure I just

1352
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:41,739
wondered if we were able to corroborate

1353
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:46,150
that in any way other than just hearing

1354
01:09:52,590 --> 01:09:49,420
that as well not exactly the way you're

1355
01:09:54,420 --> 01:09:52,600
asking it but there's a man named he's

1356
01:09:59,310 --> 01:09:54,430
no longer living his name is ron wyatt

1357
01:10:02,130 --> 01:09:59,320
and he was doing archaeology where he

1358
01:10:05,610 --> 01:10:02,140
thought the crucifixion probably

1359
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:05,620
occurred and over all these years the

1360
01:10:12,959 --> 01:10:09,130
time of Jesus is like 20 feet below the

1361
01:10:15,570 --> 01:10:12,969
surface of what we had today and many of

1362
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:15,580
the people who have homes in Israel if

1363
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:18,070
they can go down into their basement and

1364
01:10:23,850 --> 01:10:21,520
cut down and get to the old city so the

1365
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:23,860
time of Jesus is is hidden well beneath

1366
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:27,670
the ground and he did a major dig and

1367
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:30,550
found something that appeared to be a

1368
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:33,250
chapel that was built around the

1369
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,730
crucifixion site and see

1370
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:39,920
he found the foundation that was about I

1371
01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:43,489
think it was 22 x 40 feet rectangular

1372
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:46,580
and up at the front there's like a

1373
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,850
little thing that juts out from the

1374
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:51,440
cliff walls it looks like a little altar

1375
01:10:57,940 --> 01:10:55,280
there are three post holes in a row and

1376
01:11:00,580 --> 01:10:57,950
one behind it elevated slightly and

1377
01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:00,590
these post holes were permanently cut

1378
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:02,120
into the rock and they were about like a

1379
01:11:06,370 --> 01:11:04,250
foot square and they would put a stone

1380
01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:06,380
cap on them so that dirt and stuff

1381
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:09,680
wouldn't fall into them and so these are

1382
01:11:17,170 --> 01:11:12,890
good sized post holes square cut there's

1383
01:11:19,090 --> 01:11:17,180
also a round circular rolling stones

1384
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:19,100
that would have been used to cover a

1385
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:22,970
tomb and it's 13 feet by 2 feet thick

1386
01:11:30,610 --> 01:11:27,110
that's within this church frame and it

1387
01:11:35,860 --> 01:11:30,620
seems to be an early church built around

1388
01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:35,870
the crucifixion site wow so that's what

1389
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:37,550
I mean I try to go for the concrete

1390
01:11:44,830 --> 01:11:40,730
rather than spending time on speculation

1391
01:11:47,950 --> 01:11:44,840
that we can't easily prove sure sure now

1392
01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:47,960
there are you know documents and texts

1393
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:50,300
and artifacts and things that seem to be

1394
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:52,730
just popping up out of the ground all

1395
01:11:56,979 --> 01:11:55,100
the time to substantiate some of these

1396
01:12:00,280 --> 01:11:56,989
things now do you feel that same way

1397
01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:00,290
about any information regarding a

1398
01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:02,750
possible marriage for Jesus I'm

1399
01:12:09,070 --> 01:12:04,790
absolutely convinced he was married for

1400
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:09,080
several different reasons it real

1401
01:12:13,810 --> 01:12:11,210
briefly in order to be a rabbi during

1402
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:13,820
his time you had to be married in order

1403
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,890
for a man to teach children you had to

1404
01:12:20,979 --> 01:12:17,840
be married and he was definitely called

1405
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:20,989
rabbi that's a real simple answer to it

1406
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:23,360
yeah some of the more fantastic

1407
01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:27,320
archaeological information was presented

1408
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,550
by James Tabor was the head of religion

1409
01:12:36,250 --> 01:12:34,400
at 0 are you familiar with him yes I am

1410
01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:36,260
that's the University of North Carolina

1411
01:12:42,250 --> 01:12:39,140
and I think he's on the Jesus Seminar as

1412
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:42,260
well that group that studies Jesus young

1413
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:45,410
but let me see if I can create a picture

1414
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:47,330
here at the time of Jesus they would

1415
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:50,180
create tombs in the side of hills and so

1416
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:51,350
there would be an insurance

1417
01:12:56,230 --> 01:12:53,120
and you would go in and then there would

1418
01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:56,240
be a square shaped like entrance area

1419
01:13:00,640 --> 01:12:58,850
and on the other three walls there would

1420
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:00,650
be niches and that's where they would

1421
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,110
bury people but it they would just bury

1422
01:13:08,230 --> 01:13:05,840
their bones in what they call ossuaries

1423
01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:08,240
or bone boxes and they actually had a

1424
01:13:12,430 --> 01:13:10,430
two-step burial system they would leave

1425
01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:12,440
them out to dry so to speak in the

1426
01:13:17,950 --> 01:13:16,190
center of the tomb for a year and after

1427
01:13:19,630 --> 01:13:17,960
all the soft tissue would disappeared

1428
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:19,640
they go in and collect the bones and put

1429
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:22,250
them in an ossuary then these are weary

1430
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:24,830
or stone boxes would be put into the

1431
01:13:30,850 --> 01:13:27,470
niches in the wall well the one that

1432
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:30,860
they call the Jesus family tomb in the

1433
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:33,440
place of honor which is the first Mitch

1434
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:35,450
to the right as you walk into the tomb

1435
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:40,760
there are three ossuaries one says Jesus

1436
01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:43,790
son of Joseph fun and I'm obviously

1437
01:13:50,890 --> 01:13:47,030
going to do it in English one has the

1438
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:50,900
very familiar or nickname or loving name

1439
01:14:00,340 --> 01:13:55,490
of Mary along with the feminine title of

1440
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:00,350
Lord or master and that is Mara mar

1441
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:02,930
would be like a lord for a man mara is

1442
01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:07,730
for a woman man the third one says Judah

1443
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:11,900
son of Jesus that alone is very very

1444
01:14:17,260 --> 01:14:15,380
thought-provoking now this is the tale

1445
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:17,270
pyaar to him I'm assuming we're talking

1446
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,160
about that it must be what did uses all

1447
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,840
share they wrote of that they wrote

1448
01:14:28,990 --> 01:14:26,000
about that early on with none of what

1449
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,000
I'm saying right now and then they found

1450
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:31,760
this other information later and and

1451
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,570
it's quite fascinating and I put that

1452
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:38,080
information in a form that's much more

1453
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:40,040
comprehensible than what I'm spitting

1454
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:43,130
out to you right now I can write better

1455
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:47,330
than I talk well you're doing a

1456
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:49,610
wonderful job and I really appreciate

1457
01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:51,350
you sharing all this information with us

1458
01:14:58,140 --> 01:14:54,590
it's it's it's a great interest to me

1459
01:15:03,160 --> 01:14:58,150
and I know it is all our listeners so

1460
01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:03,170
now the you said you've you know

1461
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:05,160
convinced yourself that you know

1462
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,360
for a number of reasons of course it

1463
01:15:13,460 --> 01:15:09,360
would have been extremely unusual for a

1464
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:13,470
man especially a rabbi to be unmarried

1465
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:18,810
well we know that in no evidence of that

1466
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,930
is with them let's say she's a professor

1467
01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:24,000
at Harvard Divinity School Karen king

1468
01:15:30,620 --> 01:15:28,230
and he has authenticated a piece of

1469
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:30,630
parchment with raw ancient writing on it

1470
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:33,090
and it's been authenticated in several

1471
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:37,620
ways and it quotes Jesus as it's just a

1472
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,970
partial piece but he says he prefers to

1473
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,880
his wife yes yes I've seen that that's

1474
01:15:50,090 --> 01:15:46,560
amazing and I love that she actually

1475
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:50,100
announced that across the street from

1476
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:52,890
the Vatican you know it was actually a

1477
01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:55,170
Vatican building I think that she was in

1478
01:15:58,700 --> 01:15:56,520
when she made the announcement she

1479
01:16:01,210 --> 01:15:58,710
announced it in Rome I think that was

1480
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:01,220
about three or four years ago yeah I got

1481
01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:04,560
2012 i think and i just happened to be

1482
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:08,190
in rennes-le-château France when that

1483
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,420
announcement came out and the I was in

1484
01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:14,640
the restaurant at the up there in the

1485
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:17,340
village the de Chardin they were renamed

1486
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:22,770
after Mary Magdalene and when I heard

1487
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,890
about it is somebody had texted me about

1488
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:28,320
it and I announced it there in the

1489
01:16:34,190 --> 01:16:31,230
restaurant in the owners immediately

1490
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:34,200
popped out the champagne and they served

1491
01:16:38,690 --> 01:16:35,940
everyone champagne and they weren't

1492
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:38,700
celebrating it was really wonderful my

1493
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:40,170
brother at this I played for the right

1494
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:42,510
time on that it was amazing I couldn't

1495
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:44,040
believe it and they brought back out

1496
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,550
this big huge leather-bound book where

1497
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:49,440
they kept recorded you know certain

1498
01:16:54,620 --> 01:16:51,810
events and things that happened there

1499
01:16:56,690 --> 01:16:54,630
and they had me write in the book you

1500
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,700
know what it occurred on that date and

1501
01:17:01,070 --> 01:16:58,920
how we were all celebrating so it's

1502
01:17:02,660 --> 01:17:01,080
really great I'm going to go back in

1503
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:02,670
September I can't wait to get back

1504
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:04,920
because I have not been focusing their

1505
01:17:10,730 --> 01:17:07,860
xabec from that is still in that area

1506
01:17:13,820 --> 01:17:10,740
it's the oldest and they believe it's

1507
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:13,830
the oldest gospel or book from Christian

1508
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:18,000
times and it's called the the beloved

1509
01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:19,050
companion

1510
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:23,640
and it's was written by Mary Magdalene

1511
01:17:29,780 --> 01:17:27,300
when they had to flee Israel when the

1512
01:17:34,940 --> 01:17:29,790
wrong when the Romans began to go at war

1513
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:34,950
with the Jews in 66 AD they fled to the

1514
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:38,520
south of France and she wrote this while

1515
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:43,170
she was there now later on from what I

1516
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:45,210
can piece together she was brought back

1517
01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:48,870
to the original tomb you know family

1518
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:52,590
tomb at a much later time but she

1519
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:55,410
definitely was there and this books the

1520
01:18:01,400 --> 01:17:57,300
original was preserved by the Cathars

1521
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:01,410
who were very much persecuted by the

1522
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:04,290
Catholic Church and a splinter group or

1523
01:18:11,540 --> 01:18:07,050
a remnant of the Cathars has saved this

1524
01:18:13,190 --> 01:18:11,550
document and it was just translated for

1525
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:13,200
the rest of the world to read about it i

1526
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,650
think in 2010 and it's very well worth

1527
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:18,000
reading if you haven't read it

1528
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,470
especially if you're going back to that

1529
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:22,320
part of the world oh I haven't read it

1530
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:23,940
it's just a beloved companion you're

1531
01:18:28,670 --> 01:18:26,730
talking about uh-huh oh I'd love it

1532
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:28,680
every day eps i think it's the gospel of

1533
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:31,650
the beloved companion all the gospel of

1534
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:34,530
Mary Magdalene I know no that's done

1535
01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:37,110
it's been well it definitely felt

1536
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:40,710
beloved companion so this is not part of

1537
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:44,640
the dena stood so-called Gnostic Gospels

1538
01:18:49,220 --> 01:18:47,250
are the non Hammadi library another one

1539
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,230
that's attributed to her and this is not

1540
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:52,080
the same thing Wow oh I definitely gotta

1541
01:18:57,170 --> 01:18:54,510
gotta track that down that sounds really

1542
01:19:01,220 --> 01:18:57,180
good yeah I plan to go back in September

1543
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,230
and I'm part of a Henry Lincoln archive

1544
01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:04,800
project where I don't know if you're

1545
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:06,720
familiar with mr. Henry Lincoln but he's

1546
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:09,600
pretty much responsible for the hundreds

1547
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:11,190
of thousands of people that have trucked

1548
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:16,710
trek down to Rennes le Chateau and and

1549
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:18,810
also for The Da Vinci Code and a lot of

1550
01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:20,970
books that followed the book that he

1551
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:24,270
co-authored in 1982 called Holy Blood

1552
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:27,480
Holy Grail but we are preserving all his

1553
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:32,110
archives Henry's 85 now he's amazing

1554
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:34,130
so I'm going to go over to do a little

1555
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:36,409
work on the archives going to take some

1556
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:38,449
people on a little private tour while

1557
01:19:43,299 --> 01:19:41,690
I'm there and then get back over here to

1558
01:19:46,839 --> 01:19:43,309
Southern California but I can't wait to

1559
01:19:49,870 --> 01:19:46,849
get over there and I might mention too I

1560
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:49,880
do have room for one more person if

1561
01:19:54,370 --> 01:19:52,159
anybody wants to go I'm keeping this

1562
01:19:56,740 --> 01:19:54,380
group small because I want to kind of

1563
01:20:00,459 --> 01:19:56,750
keep it friendly intimate and we can

1564
01:20:02,770 --> 01:20:00,469
also be free to sort of on a consensus

1565
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:02,780
say hey let's go here today let's go

1566
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:04,130
there today so we aren't going to be

1567
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:07,250
super rigid and have to stick to an

1568
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,230
itinerary we kind of want to let things

1569
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:11,840
happen as they seem to do over there in

1570
01:20:17,529 --> 01:20:14,570
southern France southwest France but

1571
01:20:19,589 --> 01:20:17,539
where of course I must say the presence

1572
01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:19,599
of Jesus and Mary Magdalene is

1573
01:20:28,209 --> 01:20:22,550
everywhere you know the people in that

1574
01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:28,219
area just take it for granted that you

1575
01:20:31,959 --> 01:20:29,960
know they were there they lived there

1576
01:20:36,819 --> 01:20:31,969
they had children that played in the

1577
01:20:39,370 --> 01:20:36,829
meadow and Joseph of Arimathea was on

1578
01:20:41,859 --> 01:20:39,380
the boat along with Mary Magdalene and a

1579
01:20:44,350 --> 01:20:41,869
number of other people and when that war

1580
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:44,360
broke out with the Romans they were set

1581
01:20:49,390 --> 01:20:47,840
sail in a ship without oars thinking

1582
01:20:50,979 --> 01:20:49,400
that that would get rid of them that

1583
01:20:52,569 --> 01:20:50,989
they would die at sea but they wouldn't

1584
01:20:55,930 --> 01:20:52,579
have to kill them and cause more

1585
01:20:59,069 --> 01:20:55,940
controversy they survived that and and

1586
01:21:02,919 --> 01:20:59,079
ended up landing in the South of France

1587
01:21:04,689 --> 01:21:02,929
yeah and people you know say all the

1588
01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:04,699
time how could they have gotten to

1589
01:21:10,750 --> 01:21:08,030
France well it was easy mhm people were

1590
01:21:13,779 --> 01:21:10,760
doing it all the time it wasn't a huge

1591
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:13,789
trip across the Mediterranean and this

1592
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:16,400
was a very you know I guess the this

1593
01:21:21,580 --> 01:21:18,289
story goes that they landed it you know

1594
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:21,590
samurai delamare and where they have

1595
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:25,550
every year Mary Magdalene festival on on

1596
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:27,920
Madeline feast day and they claim that

1597
01:21:33,490 --> 01:21:30,159
they have the skull of Mary Magdalene

1598
01:21:38,459 --> 01:21:33,500
there and they bring it out and it's in

1599
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:38,469
this gilded golden encasement in the

1600
01:21:43,810 --> 01:21:41,630
reliquary I guess and they paraded

1601
01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:43,820
around through the town and I don't know

1602
01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:45,190
if that is the

1603
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:46,780
the real skull of Mary Magdalene because

1604
01:21:52,830 --> 01:21:48,930
I know the relic business can be very

1605
01:21:56,130 --> 01:21:52,840
lucrative yeah yeah there's lots of true

1606
01:21:58,290 --> 01:21:56,140
crosses and there's lots of body parts

1607
01:22:00,180 --> 01:21:58,300
and lots of foreskins of Jesus according

1608
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:00,190
to Tim Wallace Murphy who I had on the

1609
01:22:06,750 --> 01:22:03,460
show a few weeks ago guess what

1610
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:06,760
everybody wants exactly exactly yeah but

1611
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:08,770
anyhow so I guess you have to be a

1612
01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:12,400
little bit skeptical about the I'm very

1613
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:14,440
discerning about the about the relic

1614
01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:18,910
business but anyhow this what when you

1615
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,360
when you went into this research into

1616
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,400
Jesus what prompted that because it's

1617
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:26,320
kind of a departure from some of your

1618
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:28,900
other oh yeah none of my books have

1619
01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:30,670
anything in common other than the format

1620
01:22:35,250 --> 01:22:33,400
which is convinced writing easy to read

1621
01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:35,260
with lots of visuals to go with them

1622
01:22:39,959 --> 01:22:37,000
that's that's the only thing that's

1623
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:39,969
common about them the Jesus thing was

1624
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,270
quite different I was awakened at on in

1625
01:22:49,979 --> 01:22:45,520
the early morning hours of oktoberfest

1626
01:22:52,740 --> 01:22:49,989
2013 with an image of jesus and told to

1627
01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:52,750
write this book and he wanted it done in

1628
01:22:59,250 --> 01:22:56,860
a month time and he wanted it to be so

1629
01:23:01,290 --> 01:22:59,260
that people who are so busy and don't

1630
01:23:03,150 --> 01:23:01,300
have time to read would had time to read

1631
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:03,160
this because he wanted to reach as many

1632
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:06,820
people as possible so just the way that

1633
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:08,410
book came about is certainly a departure

1634
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:12,850
from the other two yeah absolutely now

1635
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:15,370
once again let's give out your website

1636
01:23:24,030 --> 01:23:21,370
it's got Skyships / cashiers com.com and

1637
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:24,040
that spelled well as cashiers which is

1638
01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:25,330
that it's the correct local

1639
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:29,260
pronunciation but it spells cas h IE RS

1640
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:31,960
and want everybody to know and be able

1641
01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:35,199
to get onto your site see what's coming

1642
01:23:41,939 --> 01:23:37,750
up are you going to be posting those

1643
01:23:44,370 --> 01:23:41,949
Bigfoot results the hair results on that

1644
01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:44,380
same side we oh yeah anything that we do

1645
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:46,300
will be at that website will be the

1646
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,560
place where you can learn about it and I

1647
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:52,480
will give the information on the books

1648
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,330
but you can always go to the editors

1649
01:23:59,160 --> 01:23:58,480
corner on that website and the

1650
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:59,170
information of

1651
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:01,120
the books is at the end of that section

1652
01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:05,050
but the three titles are tangible

1653
01:24:10,169 --> 01:24:07,150
evidence of Jesus that's the short title

1654
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:10,179
long title is tangible of evidence of

1655
01:24:16,530 --> 01:24:13,570
Jesus left behind for us to find the

1656
01:24:19,410 --> 01:24:16,540
other book is Cherokee little people

1657
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:19,420
were real and the most recent one that

1658
01:24:25,890 --> 01:24:22,719
just came out his underground military

1659
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:25,900
bases hidden in North Carolina mountains

1660
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:29,850
all three books are available on Amazon

1661
01:24:34,350 --> 01:24:32,170
some people like to support the

1662
01:24:37,860 --> 01:24:34,360
independent bookstores if you're one of

1663
01:24:41,939 --> 01:24:37,870
those people you can simply type in city

1664
01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:41,949
lights NC calm the NC stands for north

1665
01:24:48,660 --> 01:24:45,820
carolina city lights NC calm and you can

1666
01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:48,670
type in the books in their search area

1667
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:52,060
and order through them so those are the

1668
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:54,850
ways you can get the book great that's

1669
01:25:00,030 --> 01:24:57,250
that's wonderful you know before we

1670
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:00,040
close out we just got you know cause 2

1671
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:02,530
minutes left at the most I wanted to be

1672
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:05,110
sure and thank Mark Eddie for his help

1673
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:07,570
in connecting this show together tonight

1674
01:25:13,979 --> 01:25:10,719
for connecting me with you Mary and I

1675
01:25:17,220 --> 01:25:13,989
appreciate that you're a wonderful guest

1676
01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:17,230
and you've got great information and I

1677
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:20,230
love you all your areas of study even

1678
01:25:23,610 --> 01:25:22,210
though you as you said some of them are

1679
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:23,620
not connected but some of them really

1680
01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:25,150
kind of are a lot of them are connected

1681
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:27,190
to certainly that geographical area

1682
01:25:32,189 --> 01:25:29,410
where you are which is really

1683
01:25:34,770 --> 01:25:32,199
interesting i haven't spent much time in

1684
01:25:36,510 --> 01:25:34,780
that area and i think you know it would

1685
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:36,520
be a good place to go nice little trip

1686
01:25:39,959 --> 01:25:38,290
nice little summer vacation trip

1687
01:25:44,340 --> 01:25:39,969
especially somebody who's living out in

1688
01:25:46,740 --> 01:25:44,350
drought land absolutely anywhere is

1689
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,750
better than here right now what's really

1690
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:48,400
weird is that we're having a lot of

1691
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:50,770
humidity which we're not used to hear I

1692
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,810
was used to it in Oklahoma one of the

1693
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,600
reasons that I wanted to leave but you

1694
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:57,760
know this is supposed to be dragged out

1695
01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:00,880
supposed to be dry heat not sticky

1696
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:04,030
clammy sweaty heat but anyway I want to

1697
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:06,310
thank everybody for listening and I hear

1698
01:26:10,270 --> 01:26:08,710
the music is rolling and next week join

1699
01:26:11,950 --> 01:26:10,280
us we're gonna have Stanton freedom

1700
01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:11,960
we're going to be talking about UFOs and

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01:26:31,330 --> 01:26:15,800
more join us thanks mary joyce thank you